An engineer by training, Samaras was known for devising instruments that offered the first views inside live tornadoes. The fact of the matter is, you just never know where they're going to hit. Absolutely educate people on the safest way to ride out a storm. There are many chasers who do stop to render aid and time and time again they are often the first to reach the victims in crucial first moments with skills to save lives. Winds swept one vehicle with a crew from The Weather Channel off the road, tossed it 200 yards and flipped it into a field -- they escaped major injury. Discovery says it has been updated with 'Stormchasers' footage of the researchers. Photograph by Carsten Peter, National Geographic. However the generic advice makes a lot of sense. But the main circulation was crawling with smaller tornadoes, some moving at speeds of 260 feet per second (177 mph), according to the report. It dumped around 8 inches of rain on Oklahoma City in the span of a few hours and made the tornado difficult to spot for motorists trying to beat it home. The officers had to contend with hail and strong winds as they worked to help motorists. This one didn't. I also agree that people should not be allowed to drive through tornadoes for the safety of others, however if people were not allowed to escape I believe that more shelters should be provided for individuals in the path of the storm. The rest of the report deals with how we quantify El Reno, which surprisingly can be pretty subjective. The storm was headed toward Oklahoma City, which has more than a million people in the metro area. When she realized she was a sitting duck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, Ms Black turned around and found herself directly in the path of the most violent part of the storm. Their car was found upright in a ditch with its wheels blown off and the engine a quarter-mile away. I am hereby referring you and all readers to the comments. I realize you say in general terms such laws probably aren't enforceable and my question is then why make the laws? In some but not all cases, this advice was qualified; If you know several hours in advance that there is a high probability that a tornado will come through your area, then it is a good idea to just go away and be somewhere else. Tim shared data and results. One thing that makes tornadoes so dangerous is the speed at which they hit. 'I'm a seasoned tornado watcher but I just could not see staying and waiting for it to hit,' she said. But, I suspect I know why you proposed that idea. Dan Robinson had a clear view of their white Chevy Cobalt in his rear facing dash cam as they pulled up to and crossed Hwy 81 until their headlights fade behind the outer wall of the suction vortex that killed them. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. I did not make the argument that storm chasers cause cars to fly through the air and hurt people (though that could happen) I made the argument that amateurs who are just out to see the tornado jam traffic this is not something I've discovered, it is something that professional storm chasers have claimed to be true. We are part of Science 2.0,a science education nonprofit operating under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. ', Danger: A series of violent storms and tornadoes have killed nine people as they swept through Oklahoma City and its suburbs on Friday, Damage: People survey the damage at the Canadian Valley Technology Center's El Reno Campus after it was hit by a powerful tornado on Friday, Crash: An airplane from the Aviation Technology department lies upside down on the lawn at Canadian Valley Technology Center in El Reno. I think this tornado did some stuff we didn't expect. I doubt that it would even have a measurable positive effect. 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But the hundreds, or even thousands of non-professional storm chasers are probably not contributing to the science of tornadoes and tornado safety. I can at least understand why news crews were in the vicinity, but they didn't really need to be there either. It is unfortunate that when such behavior becomes a problem society sometimes needs to make a rule of some kind. I don't know what they were thinking in a state packed with cars and almost no other transportation options and few shelters. It is known to be BAD advice and they directly contributed to the deaths that occurred. A new law or regulation merely needs to specify that tornado-related disasters that have not happened yet (because the tornado hasnt formed or has not yet arrived) can be considered in this public safety action. Police have a hard enough time now dealing with emergencies, the last thing they have time to do is stop to write tickets. Tim Samaras, 55, along with his son, Paul Samaras, 24, and Carl Young, 45, died on Friday in El Reno after a tornado that packed winds of up to 165 mph picked up their car and threw it, somersaulting, a half a mile. It encouraged all, including the media and amateurs, to chase safely to avoid a repeat of Friday's deaths. That would stop several people right there. 'I think we are still a little shaken by what happened in Moore. I havent seen any good arguments yet that storm chasers and others on the road during a tornado are posing a danger to anyone but themselves. News casters were telling people in the direct line of the tornado do drive south. But then the tornado made a turn and headed straight for the south that people were being told to drive to. Tim Samaras Cause of death Tornado incident Known for Tornado field research Spouse(s) Kathy Samaras. It needs to be taught in public schools, teachers also need to take these courses. Either prospect is equally remarkable. One more thing: at the point the tornado lifted, it was heading more or less directly eastward along I-40 (again, Jeff Masters is my source here). Long story short, I and many others took cover in the hotel bathroom as the tornado headed straight toward us (to hit at 7:05). Sometimes accidents happen. For example, a highly irresponsible storm chaser endangers an innocent bystander, then that danger comes to fruition. state by state the possibility that some kind of adjustment must remain open. (MORE: Tornado Hunt Team Takes Direct Hit by Tornado). In fact, we probably need more professional storm chasers, and among storm chasers my feeling is that we need a better more comprehensive research design. Heres the technology that helped scientists find itand what it may have been used for. Join the Observer community and help support This was one of the highways that really did have a traffic jam thanks to the TV people who encouraged locals to attempt to flee in their cars. Hail and high winds were the chief threat, though a tornado could not be ruled out, forecasters said. He was found hanging in his Wichita, Kansas home. Thacker, as you might recall, wrote a highly biased article with Charles, Every timeyou follow the motion of a spacecraft, moon, planet or other object through the Solar System, you're putting the theory of gravity to the test. They are acting in the interests of public safety. Samaras attended Lasley Elementary and O'Connell Junior High in Lakewood. On one hand, there's a robust set of predictions for what the behavioral motion of these bodies ought to be, while on the other there's what we actually observe. On Tuesday, Storm Chasers star Joel Taylor died at 38. I will not comment at all in regardess to the death of Tim, Carl, or Paul, as they were close personal friends of mine and I am not reading to speak on that subject currently. Their car was found. Of the mother and baby who were tragically killed, Betsy Randolph said: 'We know that the storm picked them up and swept them away.' Rather, they are jamming roads in the very places where a traffic jam can be deadly if a tornado happens to pass over the gaggle of cars stuck in place. It is not inforceable. The apparent fact that individuals don't take on the personal responsibility of doing the sensible thing is a tragedy. If you are worried about the roads being clogged during a tornado then don't drive or don't live in tornado alley. Troopers requested a number of ambulances at I-40 near Yukon, west of Oklahoma City. They were caught off guard not by traffic, but by an extremely powerful and erratic multi vortex tornado that grew from a mile wide multivortex into a 2.5 miles in diameter behemoth as it also accelerated and turned north toward the ill fated chasers. Tim was a couple of miles south of interstate. People who tried to get away in their cars faced potential dangers from flash flood waters as well as tornado-force winds. I've had several police hop in my car to look at radar and ask for opinions while chasing because they are not equipt with it. Actually, to get my point all you really have to do is read the post but to restate the idea: Jamming a county road or a state or federal highway during an emergency is a public danger. After 20 seconds, it rotates back around to the south side of the tornado. One simple idea was to have either a hard hat or some sort of hard shell helmet to wear. The Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla., said it believed the deaths were the first time scientific researchers were killed while chasing tornadoes. Those media outlets need to do a more professional job and take their responsibility as journalists rather than entertainers more seriously (generally, not just with respect to tornadoes). Its a free country - youre obviously free to drive when and where you want, and I certainly dont want that to change, but something has to be done to avoid another tragedy like the one that killed 9 motorists Friday evening, including 3 professional tornado researchers Tim Samaras, his son, and intercept partner. The chaser can be quite the problem but yet quite the provider of care in a situation where the emergency scene can span a few hundred yards to over a hundred miles. Take your time.'. . A finite resource. The other, which according to professional storm chasers is a problem, is the increased number of people crowding roads (including but by no means limited to) highways in or near the paths of storms. Del City has 21,000 people in it. Samaras, his son Paul, and colleague Carl Young died in late May in El Reno, Okla. while chasing an EF5 (winds above 200 miles per hour) tornado, which was later estimated to the be the widest . At the end of the day this is just a silly notion. " Fifty people took shelter in the freezer at a Sinclair gas station in south Oklahoma City. You have to sensor the state. Tornado warnings were also posted Friday night near Tulsa and near St. Louis. Oklahomans can handle a day or two of this, but after a week plus of watching families with lost loved ones on the news they start getting jumpy. Damage: An Oklahoma home destroyed, its roof partially torn off after the tornado rips through, Salvaging: Residents retrieve belongings from a home destroyed by the tornados that tore through central Oklahoma. I remember Pa wearing this Civil Defense helmet and he was chirping on this big ol' walky talky! The one thing in your article I see that you failed to address is the number of chasers in the past that have been killed by the storm while chasing them. Deadly profession: Storm chasers Tim Samaras (center) and crew member Carl Young (right) were killed on Friday in a tornado that ripped through El Reno, Oklahoma, Dangers: Paul Samaras, 24, (left) and Carl Young, 45, (right) were killed as they conducted research during the tornadoes in Oklahoma this weekend, On the edge: The storm chasers were killed as they followed the tornado in Oklahoma on Friday as the death toll rose to 18 today, Deadly twister: Three storm chasers were among at least 18 people killed following the tornado which touched down near El Reno on Friday. Also we MUST push for adqueate shelters. Missouri and Illinois around St. Louis were also hit by 12 tornadoes, at least 100 people are injured and 'numerous homes' have been damaged. These conditions being a tornado being the widest in history (with only one other tornado in recorded history coming close to the same size) and the abnormal path the tornado took. Our community has suffered a terrible loss and our thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones. A tornado could hit Oklahoma City, or it could hit Enid. But, since we (we here discussing this) don't really know the laws and how they work regarding emergency response, traffic, etc. Tornado watches tend to cover a larger area, and the lead time is much shorter. Hoadley has been in the business for 57 years and pursued the El Reno twister. The deaths of Mr. Samaras, his son, and Mr. Young had absolutely nothing to do with the horrendous traffic affecting other parts of Oklahoma on May 31. He almost certainly didn't know that the rain-shrouded vortex was hooking toward him, to the northeast, and that he had entered its circulation. Violent weather also moved through the St. Louis area. The morning after: Wilburn Shaw looks for personal items in the remains of his kitchen the morning after Friday night's storm that passed through St. Charles, Mo, Power outages: Tornado-damaged power lines hang separated from its pole after tornadoes that swept through central Oklahoma on Friday, Shattered dreams: A couple in St. Charles embrace as they look over their destroyed home after a violent burst of thunderstorms and tornadoes swept across the Midwest, Together: A mother holds her three children after fans at the Barons game were evacuated to the parking garage under the Cox Convention Center due to severe storms in Oklahoma City on Friday. The Storm Prediction Center issued a statementSunday, saying it was terribly saddened by Tim Samaras' death. 1:50PM. Very few professional storm chasers "work for the government" really, none. Injuries that were INCOMPATIBLE WITH LIFE. - May 31, 2013 (his death) Other works book: "Tornado Hunter: Getting Inside the Most Violent Storms on Earth". Public safety workers already enjoy wide latitude in the execution of their jobs. It's even worse if you are an amateur tornado chasing on your own--at least the tour groups have an experienced person to warn them that the tornado is coming straight at them and they need to hit the dirt NOW! That would also be my preference, so we are in agreement. A small tornado in Kansas, photographed during Tim Samaras's lightning expedition in August 2009. I do not understand the need for 'storm chasers' when we have the 503 WRS that routinely punches holes in tornados and drops sondes. This is not an especially enforceable regulation but having such a thing on the books would probably encourage amateur storm chasers to think twice about putting others in danger by contributing to blocked roads. We were fine. 'I'm not sure why people do that sort of stuff, but it is very dangerous. 528 people were killed by weather in 2012, of which about 200 were a result of high velocity air. The Life and Death of Legendary Storm Chaser Tim Samaras Books The Man Who Caught the Storm Tim Samaras was a legendary storm chaser whose work informed what we know about tornadoes. If you want to walk down Main Street, in downtown America, you can do that, because it is America. They can easily cite or arrest anyone they need to, and even temporarily imprison them, without charging them with anything. I doubt it. I have stood up for professional storm chasers in this post. This, in turn, would require storm chasers to make their case that they are professionals that are doing something worthwhile, and that they take appropriate action related to their own safety and the safety of others. ", Copyright 1996-2015 National Geographic SocietyCopyright 2015-2023 National Geographic Partners, LLC. The Oklahoma State Department of Health reported on Saturday that Oklahoma City-area hospitals treated 104 people. Not sure what happened with Tim. Making a law which makes it illegal to chase storms will make it practically impossible to get enough data to understand tornadoes. Yes, chaser convergance has been a huge problem over the last few years. I'll never do it again.'. Yes, they died, but there is ZERO evidence this law, if passed, would have prevented even one of them. Jeff also included a video from a different storm chaser who, by his own admission, was too close, and whose escape (along with his partner, who was driving) was delayed by something like half a minute by other storm chasers getting out of Dodge. There's no wiggle room. They all unfortunately passed away but doing what they LOVED. The weather service initially rated the Friday tornado that hit El Reno as an EF3. That was the sound of nuance rushing by your libertarian ear. If idiots who don't know what they're doing want to drive into a twister, let them. For example, most storm chasers are individuals or small teams, and they benefit with direct contacts with actual tornadoes, and often fund their work this way as they sell their video to news outlets. If you want to walk down Main Street, in downtown America, you can do that, because it is America. Good day to you sir. 'My car was actually lifted off the road and then set back down,' Ms Black said. Lucky escape: A meteorologist from The Weather Channel was injured after his car (seen here) was thrown 200 yards by the storm, Waterway: A man uses a jetski to travel between his home and Osage City, after Missouri was affected by severe flooding, Storm damage: Navy veterans inspect the washed out road where they pulled a woman and her daughter to safety after their car flooded, A family in El Reno, Oklahoma inspect what is left of their home after Friday night's tornadoes battered the local area, Rain: Parts of Oklahoma City experience extreme flooding after multiple tornadoes passed through Central Oklahoma, For more videos, please go to the Long Center Austin. Along with his son, Paul, and storm chaser Carl Younghis longtime. You can read the preliminary version here. People who are paying for the storm chasing experience are expecting to do pretty much the same thing. to get jammed up. We MUST conserve every bit of helium that we can get our hands on. I dont think they realize how lucky El Reno was.. If you must call out Mike Morgan, then you must also call out Marc Dillard and Reed Timmer from KFOR for also suggesting people drive south. Samaras, a tornado scientist for over 25 years, founded and ran a scientific field research program dubbed TWISTEX (Tactical Weather Instrumented Sampling in Tornadoes EXperiment). Local news reported an estimated 1,200 people were at the airport. Samaras was born November 12, 1957 in Lakewood, Colorado, to Paul T. and Margaret L. Samaras. It will NEVER happen. Storm chasing by amateurs needs to be outlawed. Continuing on Helmets here is a link to a story on yahoo:http://news.yahoo.com/tornado-coming-grab-helmet-084500057.html. Also dead were Tim's son, Paul, and Carl . Was El Reno a giant tornado populated with powerful subvortices? It seems to me that we should be collecting equivalent data from storms that do and storms that do not drop tornadoes, because, after all, one of the things we want to know more about is the difference between those two types of storms. More than half of those were people who had been cut or pierced. Shooting tournament: People search a field for guns near a destroyed RV at a state shooting tournament that was destroyed in El Reno, Weapons displaced: Shotguns recovered from a field lay against a overturned trailor at a state shooting tournament that was destroyed in El Reno, Devastation: When the storm passed between El Reno and Yukon, it barreled right down Interstate 40 for more than two miles, ripping billboards down to twisted metal frames. If you watch the Discovery Channels Storm Chasers show, you will notice that as the seasons progress the professional storm chasers encounter more and more traffic as they try to move to the predicted path of oncoming tornadoes to drop data collecting probes or carry out direct intercepts (where the specially modified vehicles equipped with data collection devices are directly hit with a tornado). In this country, if a cyclone alert is issued, all roads are closed. 'There is very low visibility with the heavy rain so we're having trouble getting around. Oklahoma wasn't the only state hit by violent weather Friday night. The police can close off that street and nearby streets and as annoying or inconvenient as that may be, they are not taking away your rights. Television cameras showed debris falling from the sky west of Oklahoma City and power transformers being knocked out by high winds across a wider area. Video taken by a number of storm chasers showed debris pelting vehiclesFriday. But the agency upgraded the ranking after surveying damage from the twister, which along with subsequent flooding killed 18 people. I remember my wife telling me a few years ago about her retail stores tornado policy which was contrary to everything I knew about safety during a storm.